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sick 3 week old puppie Fading Puppy Syndrom?
01-24-2017, 02:07 PM,
#1
sick 3 week old puppie Fading Puppy Syndrom?
Hi,
I have never posted a thread anywhere but I am desperate for help.

My Chesapeake Bay Retriever had a litter of 5 puppies on Jan 4th.  All of the puppies are growing and adorable except for one.  She was the biggest at birth and now is 1/2 smaller than the other puppies.  She has a distended stomach and will not stand up or move except for to drag herself slowly.  She doesn't play but she will nurse.  I took her to the vet on Sat. and they checked her out and the Vet thought there was nothing wrong.  They gave her some worm medicine and said if she wasn't better in a day or two to call back.  I took the puppy back yesterday with a litter mate so that the DR could see the difference in the dogs.  The vet did and xray on the puppies back end and found nothing.  She gave the puppy some fluids because she was dehydrated.  She said that the puppy may just have Fading Puppy Syndrome.  She sent me home with Antibiotics, a bottle with some milk, electrolytes and some vitamins to rub on the roof of the puppies mouth.  I am to feed the puppy every 2 hours (which I tried to do).  The puppy would eat very little from the bottle.  With help from me, the puppy will nurse well.  However, I am helping her find the nipple and I am keeping the other pups from knocking her off.  

The puppy looks better today however her urine is almost an orange color.  She will not get up and play, she has been scooting herself to her Mom but for the most part she just lies there.  

I am just trying to decide if I should let nature take its course and stop intervening or if the urine color indicates something else that can be treated???  Maybe the Vet didn't check for liver function and if I were to take the puppy back to be tested for liver function, could the vet do anything to treat liver function.  Why the distended stomach?  Is that an indication of liver function? The antibiotics she was prescribed is Clovomax. She has had 2 doses.  However the first time I noticed the urine color was moments after she had her first dose so I am doubtful that the antibiotics are turning her urine that color.  

Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
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01-24-2017, 03:49 PM,
#2
RE: sick 3 week old puppie Fading Puppy Syndrom?
The orange color could be due to the dehydration. Then the question becomes, why the dehydration? Which suggests insufficient nursing, or unnoticed diarrhea.

The most common cause for a distended stomach in a puppy would be worms - which the Vet already treated. It could also be due to the accumulation of fluids due to liver or other internal organ problems. If due to "Fading Puppy Syndrome" then you might be fighting a genetic fault or birth defect. Did this puppy start to go downhill immediately? Or could puppy have ingested a toxin?

The best chance for puppy would probably be hospitalization. Either with your current Vet, or a referral to a specialist. They would probably perform a CBC/Chem panel to see how serious any potential organ failure. If mild, they might recommend giving the puppy's digestive system a rest, by IV feedings for a few days. They may want to perform an ultrasound so as to detect abdominal fluid accumulation, and possibly drain it. Along with getting a view of the internal organs, and determining the root cause. If on the other paw, the Chem panel shows severe organ malfunction, and/or the ultrasound shows severe genetic abnormalities/organ damage, there may not be much that can be done.

In the meantime, while trying to decide what to do in consultation with your Vet, it's imperative puppy is keep hydrated. If need be, sc fluid at the Vet daily. A dehydrated dog at any age goes downhill fast.
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01-24-2017, 09:20 PM,
#3
RE: sick 3 week old puppie Fading Puppy Syndrom?
Hello,
This sounds concerning. Urine in puppies that young should be very light yellow. If your puppy has been nursing well with your help it doesn't justify the dark pee one would expect to see in a dehydrated pup. After being hydrated by the vet and you helping her nurse, there shouldn't longer be orange urine. Orange urine may be indicative of bile in the blood or breakdown of red blood cells. Your vet can do a blood test and urinalysis to check for dehydration or something else going on.

Also, you may want to check her skin for elasticity and compare it with the other pups. When you pull on the skin by the neck/back, it should spring back into position fast. At times, sadly a reason cannot be found as to why some puppies fade while others thrive. I would report to your vet with an update (hopefully, you will have a good one) or consult with another vet for second thoughts.

Hopefully, once weaning starts and you introduce puppy mush, your pup will get stronger.
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01-24-2017, 09:35 PM,
#4
RE: sick 3 week old puppie Fading Puppy Syndrom?
A distended abdomen is often suggestive of worms, but then, you would have seen it with the other pups too, and it sounds like your vet has given you dewormer already. It should go down if it was worms. Is the puppy defecating at all? At this age, the pup should be defecating on his own shortly after meals.

Another cause for bloating is excess gas, if the abdomen stays bloated after eating ask your vet if you can give simethicone for gas and dosage. Another more concerning cause is ascites which is bloated abdomen due to fluids coming underlying liver disease, kidney disease, to heart disease.

I hope this sweet pup is recovers.
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01-24-2017, 10:38 PM,
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RE: sick 3 week old puppie Fading Puppy Syndrom?
(01-24-2017, 03:49 PM)dragondawg Wrote: The orange color could be due to the dehydration.  Then the question becomes, why the dehydration?  Which suggests insufficient nursing, or unnoticed diarrhea.  

The most common cause for a distended stomach in a puppy would be worms - which the Vet already treated.  It could also be due to the accumulation of fluids due to liver or other internal organ problems.  If due to "Fading Puppy Syndrome" then you might be fighting a genetic fault or birth defect.  Did this puppy start to go downhill immediately?  Or could puppy have ingested a toxin?

The best chance for puppy would probably be hospitalization.  Either with your current Vet, or a referral to a specialist.  They would probably perform a CBC/Chem panel to see how serious any potential organ failure.  If mild, they might recommend giving the puppy's digestive system a rest, by IV feedings for a few days.  They may want to perform an ultrasound so as to detect abdominal fluid accumulation, and possibly drain it.  Along with getting a view of the internal organs, and determining the root cause.  If on the other paw, the Chem panel shows severe organ malfunction, and/or the ultrasound shows severe genetic abnormalities/organ damage,  there may not be much that can be done.

In the meantime, while trying to decide what to do in consultation with your Vet,  it's imperative puppy is keep hydrated.  If need be, sc fluid at the Vet daily. A dehydrated dog at any age goes downhill fast.

(01-24-2017, 09:35 PM)meba Wrote: A distended abdomen is often suggestive of worms, but then, you would have seen it with the other pups too, and it sounds like your vet has given you dewormer already. It should go down if it was worms. Is the puppy defecating at all? At this age, the pup should be defecating on his own shortly after meals.

Another cause for bloating is excess gas, if the abdomen stays bloated after eating ask your vet if you can give simethicone for gas  and dosage. Another more concerning cause is ascites which is bloated abdomen due to fluids coming underlying liver disease, kidney disease, to heart disease.

I hope this sweet pup is recovers.
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01-24-2017, 10:51 PM,
#6
RE: sick 3 week old puppie Fading Puppy Syndrom?
Thanks for all of your responses. I am going to try to answer all the questions that you all asked.

Dragondawg: Did this puppy start to go downhill immediately? Or could puppy have ingested a toxin?

This puppy was fine up until Thursday or Friday last week. I really don't think a toxin is the answer but who knows. I wash the bedding frequently but I don't think it could be that.

Melba: Is the puppy defecating at all? At this age, the pup should be defecating on his own shortly after meals.

She had a mustard colored poop right before we went to the vet on Sat. I have not seen her poop until tonight when she was VERY constipated. Her poop was little rocks coming out and it exhausted her to push it out. Not only that, but Lilly (momma dog) licked her for probably 20 minutes trying to help her. The good thing about this is that the puppy used its hind legs quite a bit to go poo poo which made me hopeful that she might walk. Lilly has not pushed this baby away. She is a great Momma.
She could have pooped before that but I have not seen it. Lilly cleans up after them too quickly.
"Another more concerning cause is ascites which is bloated abdomen due to fluids coming underlying liver disease, kidney disease, to heart disease." - What does this mean? Are these things treatable?
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01-25-2017, 10:02 AM,
#7
RE: sick 3 week old puppie Fading Puppy Syndrom?
A toxin from a plant or other item is still a possibility.  Also is a progressive genetic problem with the organs.  Again you'll need a Chem panel run to determine whether organs such as the liver are functioning normally.

She had a mustard colored poop right before we went to the vet on Sat. I have not seen her poop until tonight when she was VERY constipated.

The yellow color indicated accelerated transit through the small intestine, and/or not enough bile was added in the small intestine. 

The constipation would be due to dehydration.
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03-08-2017, 04:00 AM,
#8
RE: sick 3 week old puppie Fading Puppy Syndrom?
(01-24-2017, 02:07 PM)louloujewel Wrote: Hi,
I have never posted a thread anywhere but I am desperate for help.

My Chesapeake Bay Retriever had a litter of 5 puppies on Jan 4th.  All of the puppies are growing and adorable except for one.  She was the biggest at birth and now is 1/2 smaller than the other puppies.  She has a distended stomach and will not stand up or move except for to drag herself slowly.  She doesn't play but she will nurse.  I took her to the vet on Sat. and they checked her out and the Vet thought there was nothing wrong.  They gave her some worm medicine and said if she wasn't better in a day or two to call back.  I took the puppy back yesterday with a litter mate so that the DR could see the difference in the dogs.  The vet did and xray on the puppies back end and found nothing.  She gave the puppy some fluids because she was dehydrated.  She said that the puppy may just have Fading Puppy Syndrome.  She sent me home with Antibiotics, a bottle with some milk, electrolytes and some vitamins to rub on the roof of the puppies mouth.  I am to feed the puppy every 2 hours (which I tried to do).  The puppy would eat very little from the bottle.  With help from me, the puppy will nurse well.  However, I am helping her find the nipple and I am keeping the other pups from knocking her off.  

The puppy looks better today however her urine is almost an orange color.  She will not get up and play, she has been scooting herself to her Mom but for the most part she just lies there.  

I am just trying to decide if I should let nature take its course and stop intervening or if the urine color indicates something else that can be treated???  Maybe the Vet didn't check for liver function and if I were to take the puppy back to be tested for liver function, could the vet do anything to treat liver function.  Why the distended stomach?  Is that an indication of liver function? The antibiotics she was prescribed is Clovomax. She has had 2 doses.  However the first time I noticed the urine color was moments after she had her first dose so I am doubtful that the antibiotics are turning her urine that color.  

Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks






Hi,
I am sorry to hear that about your dog. That is true. Orange urine is a sign of dehydration. To stimullate your puppies appetite, its better to make his food alternate. You can try giving him appetizer from the vet. 
Good luck to your pup.
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